Dr. Robb Kelly’s Secret To Sobriety: No More Second Chances

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Hello and welcome to the VK podcast. We like to say every day is a VK. At least we try to make it that way. We've got a good guest today. Dr. Rob, Kelly addiction expert and author of Daddy. Daddy, please stop drinking. That's a, that kind of hits home for me. I got four boys doc. And I've never, they've never said that to me, but I'm like, God, if they did, I'd just melt into the floor. How are you, man?

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I'm doing good, man. Thank you for having me on guys. Great to see you. Great to be excited. Hey, guys, fast podcast ever right here. Hey, can we get that on film? Did we get that off? Oh, we are on film. OK, good. Doc, can we use that in any of our promo reels? All of them. Yes, I love it. We're in San Antonio, right, Doc? San Antonio, Texas, live. Yep. So that's where we are.

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The good doctor is so gracious to share his time in the middle of a very practice. As we mentioned, he's an addiction expert and as we like to cover all the boundaries of health and wellness, we thought we've had a lot of specialists on, but not a practicing doctor and someone that's written the book and just lived through this yourself. Doc, I'd love to just set the table. Chris and I just love to hear and let our audience hear.

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Obviously you have the book, we'll have all the links. We could probably spend three hours, I'm sure, just on your story, but why don't you set the table for everyone on Dr. Kelly and in your background. Yeah, sure. So my name's Dr. Kelly, I'm an addiction doctor, guys, and a childhood trauma healer, alcoholic and addict, ex-alcoholic and addict. Took my first drink at the age of nine years old on stage with my musical family, and once I took that drink, all the bets were off.

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So basically grew up normally, drinking weekends with the band, eventually made something on myself, come from a trailer park, projects, as you say, in America, council of states in England, very poor family, paychecks of paycheck. And yeah, just always wanted more, to be honest, which is part of the alcoholic and addicts tendency is three parts of the brain that differ from normal people.

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Yeah, I made something up myself and then lost it all. Lost everything I'd worked for. We're talking about millions of pounds. End up homeless, lost my children, lost my wife, practices, music, all that stuff I lost. And spent 14 months on the streets.

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suicide attempts to locations. It worked. I was dead. And they brought me back to life on the side of the road. I hated them then for that. And then many years later, I came over to America, Dallas, Texas for two weeks. And that was 18 years ago. And here we are today. So that's a quick rundown. We can obviously get into different parts of it, but yeah, very glad to be here. Very glad to be on this show with the one and only Ryan and the one and only Chris. Yes.

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There is only one. There's only one monopoly allowed in the US anymore and it's ourselves. Yes, and you are a true monopoly, Dr. Kelly. So, Dr. Kelly, I mean, I appreciate the summary and we have some guests that will spend 40 minutes talking about their background. And so you summarized a lot there, but I do want to hone in maybe on your own recovery.

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and then maybe how you help others recover. Those two things are probably really key and part and parcel to your story. It is, I know when I was suffering, nobody could help me. I went to the doctors and he said, oh, you're an alcoholic, go to AA. What I found out today is alcoholism is the only self-diagnosed illness in the world. By the way, guys, listen in, you're gonna hear stuff today you've never heard before. We have leaders in this addiction industry.

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So yeah, so I know when I go off the streets finally, I wanted to spend the rest of my life finding out what alcoholism is. I wanna say alcohol is guys, drug addiction on the end of that, I just can't be bothered saying everything. So yeah, what alcoholism is, and I was absolutely blown away when I found out what it is. I know alcoholics was somebody who drank too much alcohol. Wrong, wrong. Alcoholics are born, drug addicts are made. Bull.

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Did he just say that? Yeah, I said that. Years and years of experiment tests and things around it. Alcoholism is hereditary. It's passed down from generation to generation. If you can't trace three generations back with alcoholism, you are a heavy drinker, or you abuse alcohol. You are not the alcoholic. So when I was studying alcoholism as a whole, I found out that three parts of the brain differ from any other addiction on Earth. Hypothalamus, basal ganglia, and D.

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and the amygdala. They're three different from any other addiction in the world. And that's the difference on why it's called a disease. I have a biochemical reaction to the ethanol in alcohol. So for my first day of drinking at the age of nine, all bets were off. I was always going to either end up dead in treatment or in prison. There are only choices. So how long that takes.

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that's we don't know that could be a year, 10 years, 50 years. I don't know, but by the time I was 21, my drinking was out of control. And again, I came off to study the neuroscience behind alcoholism and what it really was. And we found out a lot of things that devastate and aghast people to their truth, you know, marijuana isn't the gateway drug.

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Childhood trauma is the gateway drug. And the quicker you understand that, again, with children, anything less than nurturing is child abuse, especially when we come to addiction, alcoholism, families, and I didn't know this. So when we started practicing and teaching this stuff, people start to get well. So 30 years later and about 8,000 patients on, we have a 97% success rate unheard of.

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anywhere in the world. The nearest frontiers right now is about 22 percent because it's the neurosciences, the behavioral sciences, all the stuff, the brain spotting, all the stuff that nobody else really looks into because the bottom line is guys, there's no money in recovery, not recovery itself. There's money and people go in and out of treatment centers, but there's no money in recovery. If you get so many well, it's a bad business plan. Your counselors will throw that plan away.

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We have to have repeat money coming in. We don't play that game. You have to, you can't buy our services. I turned Britney Spears down for a million dollars. Dallas, Texas, in Campisi's restaurant. Turned her down, she wasn't ready. Two days later, she was in the newspaper shaving her head off. Absolutely insane and drunk. Not gonna work with you. But if I do, if you pass the assessment, we guarantee.

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that you'll recover, get your life back, and get your family back where possible. Some wives have had enough. But yeah, we're very proud of what we do, but we're also very aggressive in what we do. Some people call me cocky. I don't give a shit. When you start paying my mortgage, I'll start listening to you. We have proven success rates. And yeah, we love what we do because we do what we love. How's that? Doc, a lot to unpack there. I'm going to start with a quote you made. The gateway drug is not marijuana.

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It's childhood trauma, if I heard you correctly. Did I hear that correctly? You did. Yes, you did. Childhood trauma plays a huge effect on addictions. It plays a huge effect on behavioral science as we grow up. And it all comes down to that. Now...

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The thing is that people say, I disagree with that. No, child of trauma. We're talking trauma, not even in a car crash or a plane crash, we're talking about the stupid little things like this was mine or one of mine. Hey, Robert, how many times have I told you you can't go to college like your brother, you're too stupid? You're thinking as I'm too stupid. And that doesn't come to me as in, should I go for this job? No, Rob, you're too stupid. It doesn't do that. It doesn't, the subconscious brain leaks it out slowly

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me out of applying for that job because I know I'm not going to get it so I'm not going to come to you and have the interview and you fail me. I'm not going to do that or I'm going to fail you straight away. And the same happens with relationships. When girls go up to women and leave the house, if it's a dysfunctional house, let's say dad was the alcoholic comes home, beast mom every night while drunk, the girl from that house will go on to attract...

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The guy tends to be an alcoholic and the guy that beats her every night. And I'll tell you something else. If she doesn't, I mean, it's a nice guy. She'll self sabotage that relationship because it feels weird and not natural. History repeats itself. It does in the most strange ways, learned behavior and a measurement from parents to children is what we are talking. Mom can pass depression down to daughter.

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That's the kind of thing that child will try and we're talking about. We're not talking about the big T's. The therapist, God bless you therapist. Big T's and the small T's, no such thing. They're all huge T's when it comes to trauma. And the quick we recognize, the wicked, wicked heel, that's the deal here. We don't want to just leave it on and leave it on. And then all of a sudden you're 25, 26 and you're having this destructive pattern where you don't know where it's come from. You have to pick that up straight away.

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If alcohol is as a very, like you said, you're somewhat born into you, it's passed on or genetic. And then there's a lot of people that maybe abuse alcohol. Let's talk a little bit about the differentiation of those two things. And if the recovery though is the same, or if it's both needed, because I would, because I don't want anyone to leave thinking, well, you only need

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curing whatever we want to call it if you have alcoholism. Yeah, there's, I would assume you treat a lot of people that don't have alcoholism, but they're abusing alcohol. Yeah, and people say, oh look at Ginny or I'm a con, he drinks every day, he's an alcoholic. That's not true. That doesn't mean it's true. There's a difference between the Friday night drunk and the Friday night alcoholic. One needs to go to jail, one needs to go to hospital for treatment.

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That's the bottom line. When I took the first drink, can I stop? Is the biggest question I ask somebody. Alcoholics will say no. People who abuse alcohol, yeah. If you abuse alcohol guys, if you can't trace it three generations, if you can stop when you start the first drink and just go home for a few weeks and come back, here's the solution to that. Stop fricking drinking so much. End of story. Cut back, get back in shape.

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End of story. The treatment for alcoholism is totally different. The circuitry within the brain needs to be rewired. The central nervous system, basal ganglia, hypothalamus, amygdala, olimphry need to be rewired. Neuropathways need to be rewired within the brain. Heavy drinkers, stop drinking. That's it. They can do that. Heavy drinkers and drinkers that abuse can stop our monitoring.

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given a sufficient reason. The doctor says, hey, listen, if you don't stop drinking, you're gonna die. That guy's off. Alcoholics, impossible. And the reason why it's impossible is because part of the brain is telling the alcoholic to drink. So sit down, guys, while you listen to this if you said it or I'm just gonna blow your mind. So the hypothalamus, let's talk about the real alcoholic for a second. The hypothalamus from birth tells us, in turn, Henry, to drink water, eat food, to survive.

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That's why we survive. Babies, when the babies stick their hand down the mouth, or they hold the tummy and cry, that means he needs to eat. What happens when we grow up, is that hyperthalamus in alcohol, it turns around and instead of asking the alcoholic to eat food and drink water, it tells us to drink alcohol. That's why alcoholism go days and weeks without any food or water.

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Chris, I know you've been through your trials and tribulations on, on drinking specifically. So I'm going to let you dive in a little bit here. Yeah. I, I, this is like a master class doc. I had my trials. I went to treatment five times detox, I think three times it's been a little over three years now since I cleaned up. And I love what you're saying because I totally agree with you.

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And I look back to my experience with treatment. One, it's totally a business model. I have so much distaste for how we go about treating addiction because of my own experience. But what you said, like the generational thing, I always struggle with that because at least in my family, there may have been, but it's not talked about. And I always wonder.

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Like my, I heard, oh, maybe your grandfather, your great grandfather may have had alcoholism. And I don't know if just back then it was not as disgusted as it is now. But I have friends that they definitely abused, but when shit hit the fan, they could walk away. I was not one of those people. I was in the rat brain, right? They call it right. The reptilian brain. Yeah, we're all in the.

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That's what it is. We're all in or we're all out. That's alcoholic. Listen to this, Chris. I know that none of these super alcoholics, not drug addicts, drug addicts have the addictive personality, which I'm like alcoholism only where we're allergic. What I found when I traced my generation back is old grandfather liked to drink. Really? Grandfather, when I found out, was a chronic alcoholic, the guy of alcohol poisoning. But he liked a drink. That's why it's hard to, when you get to my age, it's hard because none of it was talked about.

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The things I say to my parents right now is start talking to your children if there's addiction or alcoholism in the family. What age should I start? Six, seven, eight, I'm there. Because if I'd have known that there was alcoholism in the family, if I'd have known that my anchors and cousin has lost children and committed suicide because of alcoholism, if I had that talk with my parents, things might have turned out different. I'm glad they didn't, but knowledge is everything.

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If you don't know what you're suffering from, because I didn't, Chris. I went to the doctor, he was baffled. Went to friends, they were baffled. Just stop drinking because of your kids, Bob. What's wrong with you, my dad used to say. Because I thought I was different. I thought I was the one that wasn't gonna recover. Then I go to treatment, and I hear these guys saying, okay, there's 15 of us in the room, by this time next week, 12 of us would have relapsed. I'm buying into it. It's like, what are we teaching in these treatment centers? Why are you treating relapse prevention?

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It's crazy. So I'm with you definitely on that. But education is everything. How do you treat? How do you treat that addictive personality? Addictive personality can be gone out back. Obviously, everybody has an addiction.

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There's a blanket statement for every single person, whatever that addiction is. So I go, well, I go to the gym, Dr. Robin, I'll tell you now, it's good for me. I go every day. Okay, buddy, if you go on vacation with your family to Italy or something, and the first thing you do when you get there is look for a gym, you have a problem. You're taking the time away from your family. So addictive personalities, both addictions, but addictive personalities can change. You will always have the addictive personality, but what are we focusing on today?

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Are we focused on success, family, if you want to be rich, best husband around, quantum physics and neuroscience tells us that you can be anybody you want to be. So it's good. Every famous person, musician, author, you have that identity, personality that takes you well. You just need to get away from the bad stuff you were taking because of your troubled trauma because I want to get out of this. I can't stand this.

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So the question I always ask myself as a young is why did Rock Kelly hate Rock Kelly for so long? And there lies the answer.

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What's it like working with celebrities? I am very, man, I've never been impressed by celebrities. I've never been impressed by guys who come over here and want to run it their way. So we have a conversation when they get off the plane or they helicopter at the ranch is this. I don't give a shit who you are, but you need to know who I am. Because if you step out of line in the 90 days that you're here, I will put you on a train in hours.

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You can't buy. And as soon as they hear that with my aggressive stance, and I used to be a fighter and a bodybuilder, I've still got the attitude. So this is serious business. Once they realize that and they don't get pampered to, like they do in Promises and other high-priced treatment centers where you get free massages a day in a sauna, really, they start to get serious. And I guarantee them, I'll get you to the place you want to be if you trust me and follow direction. But if you don't, I've got no time for you. You don't get a second chance here. You do not get a second chance.

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Do they come work with you directly in person? Yes. I have small case law. I have about six people. Five of them are household names. Everybody would know. And they all say this is the best thing that's happened to me. No one's ever said no to me before. I really don't give a shit. I don't need the money, that's for sure. I don't need the fame, that's for sure. So let's get down to the real problem. The real problem is you.

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Get rid of these yes men for 30, for 90 days and we'll get you right. The have you ever seen anyone home? Oh, my thousand and I think I've gone home. Oh, we make no, I'm thinking I'm, people think we're joking. Like the guy's up there. You can't send me on next minute. My bodyguard walks in.

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collapsing by the shoulder and walking out. You should see their face when we walk in out. It's like, I told you, I told you. Yeah, but passage, I'm gonna shit about passages. I told you that if you mess around, I'm gonna get out. You go, I'll never do it again. I don't care, gone, you're finished. This is serious business. How does the in-person work versus the telehealth? Say again? I know you mentioned some telehealth work. So what's the distinguish between in-person, 90 days with you versus telehealth?

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If you are working, if you know about telehealth and how to do it, when COVID came out, all of a sudden everybody was a telehealth provider. I went back to get my second PhD in behavioral science to be able to work via telehealth. But really, if you know what you're doing, there's no difference. There really is no difference. We found great success with telehealth. Then what we find...

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with real high celebrities is expect to get them out of their environment, get them out of their house, get them away from the media. And we have a ranch in Dallas, Texas, and we helicopter into them. Nobody knows where they are. Now we can concentrate on what the problem is. So yeah, telehealth has been very successful for us. All my therapists, psychotherapists, coaches are all telehealth around the world. We have about 12 of them in different countries, including my daughter.

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Oh, wow. In the family. Boy, if you've read the book, guys, that he please stop drinking is the last thing she said to me when the authorities take him off me and the police. So I thought four years ago, she got like in touch after 28 years and went over to see them. And she introduced me to my three month old granddaughter. We sent her back to school. As about 14 months ago, she opened my Manchester, UK office as my lead therapist. That's so bad ass. Yeah.

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Chris, I'm like dominating here because I got Doc so interesting and I'm like, I've got a million things swirling in my head. We probably asking some of the same questions. No, I'm thoroughly enjoying this. I think obviously addiction is becoming more and more talked about and more mainstream. I know when I first, you know, went to treatment in 2000, I think Lindsay Lohan might've went her first time back then, but it was definitely a dot.

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as commonly talked about and accepted as it is now. And I know I remember being 20 trying to explain it to friends. Dude, this is a disease. This is like my body is different biologically. And it was not very well received, I would say. However, now I feel like it's pretty. It's a big conversation happening. And I think it's thanks to guys like you getting into the nitty gritty and.

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Dive a little deeper because I'm right there with you. It all comes down to childhood. I think everyone's shit comes down to childhood, really. It does. And I, it, and we always joke about marijuana being a gateway drug. And I'm like, I don't know anyone who wanted to go do cocaine after marijuana, but I know a lot of people after a few drinks.

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Yeah. I've never seen anybody take marijuana and go and wreck a hotel or go out rioting, anything like that. Yeah, I'm with you. People just laugh at us when we first came in and we stuck by our guns because there's no one onto something. But yeah, we've been trying for the last 30 years to get it out the closet and get it into open mainstream. And we're just almost about there.

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right now where people are not afraid to talk about addiction, talk about alcoholism in the family, because it used to be a dirty word and to some people right now it still is until they realize that their daughters, their sons, their uncles, their aunties, their parents all suffer from some kind of addiction and 80% of that is bad. When you blanket statement this, you know we're in a bad state. Everybody knows somebody who suffers from alcoholism or drug addiction and if you don't, it's probably you.

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That's the fact. Yeah, that's a painful look in the mirror right there. You got them all, Doc. I've been known for a few statements, but then you got all the sayings. Like, can I write some of these down? Is let's talk about the book a little bit. Being a father that resonates with me. Daddy, please stop drinking. We're talking with addiction expert Dr. Rob Kelly. Doc, talk. I don't have to ask the inspiration for the book. That's.

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If you are half a human or if you breathe, you can just, it grips you by the heart. But talk to us a little more about the book.

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So I had no intentions of writing a book, no intentions at all. And everyone keeps saying, you should write one, you should write one. But let me give you the backstory to that. I stabbed my wife three times one night because she wanted me finished drinking my bottle of vodka. So I fled to Spain because there was a attempted murder charge on me. I came back three months later and all charges had been dropped. But when I got back, my wife was there, my two little girls, ages one and three. And as soon as I come, she took the kids and took her mother and I said, she left me.

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You don't need me, do you know who I am? So I got hold of my attorney and the next day he came back with my children, two little girls. I paid him a bunch of money, I brought him, he'd been to court. I brought him in, I put him in the front room in front of the TV. I walked, now I'd been sober for three days because I knew I was getting my kids back and then you had all gone wrong and then you had to face her when I come home.

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When I put them down in front of the TV, I walked into the kitchen and thought across my mind, wouldn't it be great to have one drink just to celebrate them coming home? Now I'm a proper father. Three days later, when the police kicked the door down, the children not being fed or changed diapers for about two days, the police took them off me and they gave me papers saying unfit father. Now they walked into the door, mother in law was carrying the young one, ages one, and my ex-wife was carrying or hand in hand with my daughter.

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to Charlie and as they walk down the path, this daunting feeling, what if I don't, what if I don't, what if I don't? But my daughter said three things to me. She said, daddy, please don't go. Then they walked down the path and then she turned around again. She's holding mommy's hand and then she says, daddy, please get better. And as they got to the big iron gates, it opened this gate and she turned around one final time and says, daddy, please stop drinking.

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and I couldn't do it guys and about three months after that the house had gone the cars had gone okay scrolling along to nine years ago I was in I came over here at 17 18 years ago and I hang around with guys show me your friends show me your future just put that in your mind guys at home for a second I hang around with guys and people say people outside my guys were saying hey you should write a book I said to my guys once I said hey I'm thinking of writing a book

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And they went, don't be stupid, you're not an author. Oh yeah, that'd be stupid. Nobody's gonna read that book on addiction. So I never wrote a book. Come down to San Antonio four years ago, and I said to my new guys, I'm thinking of writing a book. And they all went, oh my God, I'd read that, it'd be phenomenal. So for the next three and a half years, I wrote bits of stuff that had come back in my mind or voicing when I was driving. I saw a dad coming out of McDonald's with little, I knew that I used to do that on weekend. I'd write that down with,

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I've never read the book and give all this stuff over three years or something to my wife and she created this book and she came and she said, Rob, I've got the book. I was too scared to read it and when it came out, it obviously was sold pretty well. I was too scared to read it. One of these days I'm going to read it guys, but all these years on.

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It's still painful. I don't think I'll ever get over the stuff I did to them. There was never any violence towards the kids, but I used to get up in the morning, my wife would have black eyes, I go, what the hell happened to you?

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And then she told me it was me. I didn't believe her. I was like, there's no way would I do that. But when she's years later, when the memories come back, the memory recall, I don't get triggered by the way. I hate triggered. The memory recall comes back and yeah, painful, but it helps others right now. Most people are calling and writing me right now about the book is parents.

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Instead of give a copy of this to the kids. So it was done aggressively. It was done to give back. We don't take it It's nine dollars on Amazon guys. We don't take a penny of that Not a dime. We had people go buy the book and then proceed. No, not the profits Every single dime goes back out to the community And if you don't like it call me get hold me out refund you nine dollars And we give a hundred and fifty thousand dollars every year me and my wife out of our personal pocket

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And then we had the Rob Kelly Foundation and we'd give back. So we're always giving back. It's very important to me because the book taught me to give back from what I've been through. But we're almost, the book's ready, or the book's ready to go. We didn't have a title. And that's when my daughter got in touch with us and we're over there talking. And my daughter says, what about the last thing you said to me? I was like, oh God, I can't remember that. And she was three years old, guys. I can't remember that. And she said, it was, Daddy, please stop drinking.

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Well, powerful. But what's powerful, man, and one, I respect the hell out of you for being able to talk about what you did. Some people can never own up to that kind of shit. And then who's to judge one from? But every dollar you're giving back, you've got the foundation. You're paying it forward. You're treating other people. There's a lot of people that do this shit that sit around and don't do anything to make up for it. And who does to judge what makes up for what? Once you get into that game, you're trying to play God.

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But all I'll say is I respect you for trying to make do on it. Yeah. It's something personal. I gave it back as much makes me up in the morning.

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Now I'm fortunate enough to be able to give money away and we do every day. Somebody gets blessed monetary when I leave the house every single day and staff get blessed every day monetary wherever, if I don't go out the house. So it's something that I need to do. It's, I'm proud of doing that. I always remember in cars with friends and I'll stop at the red light, the big guy there begging and I give him like $50. My friend said to me once.

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It's a waste of time. You know what it's going to do with that, don't you? And my answer was pure and simple. I don't care what it's gonna, I'm hoping he's gonna buy drugs and alcohol because that's what I did on the streets. But that's not my concern. When I give them money, that's my concern. What he does with it is none of my concern. And that's why I have a little license to go up the streets when I've had little money or a lot of money. It's just who we are, man. What's the, what's your process for working with

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non-celebrities. I know you mentioned that you do help people that maybe can't afford it. What's that process? It's the same, man. We don't discriminate. The only thing is when I couldn't afford treatment on the streets, that's what we base our thing on. So it's the full program. It's just that you don't pay. And then what we do is when we've worked with these celebrities, we go, hey guys, you want to give anything back to other people? And they go, yeah, let me give you 50 grand. And then

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It's like the foundation now, we only just started it last month, so we've only got like a thousand dollars in. But our motto with the foundation is when we work with somebody free of charge and your money pays for that or pays for your detox or pays for a little card to get into work and back, you will get a letter off that person thanking you personally for buying that car or sending him back to school or buying a suit or a pair in court to get his kids back weekend. I'm very adamant on that. That's where we're going to go forward on that because

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Once you know that your money's going to the real thing, lot of charities out there take 60% for their staff, pay everyone's... I'm believing that, guys. And we're fortunate enough not to care about that. Don't get me wrong, but no, the treatment's the same, man. And you will be let go as well, just like everyone else, if you mess around. And we do things like you have to text in four times a day. So it's a lot of accountability. If you miss one of those texts, you're done. You're finished. Go away, you're not ready. Yeah, but go away.

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Okay, if you're a household name or if you're a guy sweeping the roads, if you don't follow direction you're gone.

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No second chances with addiction. Last time you use over what you should do, you will die. It's the same thing here. Once you don't follow direction, we're getting rid of you. Oh, but Dr. Ram, you're giving up on me. No, you give up on yourself, buddy. This is life or death that we're doing now. Don't mess around with this shit. That's why you're homeless. That's why you keep relapsing. Nobody has to keep relapsing. Education, people are just stupid sometimes.

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Oh no, it's a treatment for 30 days, three weeks later. Go back to the same treatment for 30 days. Keep paying 40 grand to go in, what the hell? Treatment guys, how can you live with yourself? I'm just sleep at night. Come on, we're the only company in the world to offer a money back guarantee if you relapse. What? I know, right?

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Unbelievable. But that's what it's all about. Get on well, get on with the life. We work with the family. So we have what's called the family systems. If the addicted person or alcoholic comes on board, his wife's got to come on board as well and anybody over the age of 18 in that household. If the wife didn't want to come aboard, we would not have such a patient. People think that crazy. How do you make money? They say. We don't do stuff like that. God takes care of us. Do it for the right reason. That's what I say.

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Step out of the disease and into the solution. Boom, baby, you get away from that disease into the solution. And the definition of solution in the Oxford English is the act of solving a problem. Yeah, solving it, not treating it. Yeah. Why are people, oh, stop me drinking. Why? Oh, stop me taking drugs. Why?

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Alcohol has 1% to do with alcoholism and the same with drug addiction. I never had a drinking problem, guys. I had a fucking thinking problem. My head was messed up. I was torn that childhood trauma. I knew I would never be tall enough, thin enough, blonde enough or rich enough. And that took me 45 years to realize that. But when I did and find my own true identity, because we lose our identity in the addiction side of our lives, I want to find out who I really

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was we are the only people and you'll get this Chris, we are the only people that get two lives in one lifetime. Don't mess the second one up man. Don't mess the second one up. It's a fact. You don't have to. There's a permanent solution for alcoholism and addiction, permanent. You can be fully recovered from alcoholism and addiction. Don't let anybody tell you different. As we close out here, Doc. It's a refreshing message. If someone's listening,

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We love to add value. You've added so much value already in our 35 minutes. But as we close out, someone like me might be listening. How do they know when it's time? I get it when you fall off the cliff, you race the car into the mountainside. It's time to go. But are there tips and or ways to recognize or maybe people that can't even say aren't even at that point for identifying where they are in this madness?

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Yeah, if you're drinking over a day and he's bothering the family at work, then you need to take a look at yourself. Listen, guys, we're known for putting our money where our mouth is and our feet in the trenches. So listen, guys, if you're in that place I described, if you're in that sewer sold the place where the kids and the family have gone, you're sitting in one bedroom apartment that's messed up. You're sat there in the corner and you listen to this.

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214-600-0210 is my personal cell phone number. You text me, man. You text me and say, hey, Dr. Love, I need help. You text me and I will call you back and give you a 15 minute pep talk that will change your life. And you know what it doesn't? I'm gonna send you $100 for wasting your time because listen, guys, I would rather have a 15 minute pep talk with you than learn of your suicide next week. I am never gonna step out of that train sheet.

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guys I'm always going to be here don't even talk about the money just call me up I'll give you a 50-minute pep talk give you some direction of where to go we're not taking on clients it's nothing to do with that we're not taking on patients or clients right now let me tell you if I can help we're gonna help and if mom's and dad's and wives are out there wherever I staff here I will talk to you every single day for the rest of your life never charge you a dime boom

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There's a lot of value there. We're going to put that link. Well, we might keep, we might keep your cell phone off there. We'll at least have links to all your stuff. So if you listen, you get the value of having that direct number and look, put your money where your mouth is your time. Look, time is money and Doc's putting it exactly. He's practicing exactly what he's preaching. Chris, any final thoughts here as we let Doc get back to solving big problems? That just, I'm fired up.

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That's even that whole, I'd tell you, cause I know, I know this business, the recovery business, not a lot of guys are, there's a lot of money in it. Put it that way. Right. There's not a lot of guys that are going to answer the phone anytime. The staff might talk to you for your two weeks when you check out and then it's done, it's the people like Dr. Kelly that are, this is a mission. It's a life purpose. It's. And I.

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tons of respect and I feel the same myself for after coming out the other side. I think my biggest driver is trying to just help people and inspire people and be, if anything, just be a voice on the other side of the phone of someone. I get calls all the time. Now I'm 34 now and now I've got some buddies that the drinking's not as fun anymore that college is over, right? Reality's hit and there's starting to be some issues. I had two calls last week, literally with.

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One kid out on a bender doing heroin, another buddy of mine, the drinking's catching up with him. This is such a prevalent problem that it's people like you in programs like yours that are really making the impact out there. So I just tons of respect and appreciation and love what you're doing, Doc.

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And guys don't think you're on your own by the way if you think you have a drink problem or a drug problem or a sex problem or a porn or cake or food whatever it is you're not there's millions of us all doing the same. Start a dialogue with somebody don't sit in the dark on your own and if it's alcoholism addiction guys it will kill you. End of story you're going to die. Okay so check this message check this podcast episode let's get well let's just do it don't wait till tomorrow.

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Listen, we've not got time guys. I'll do it tomorrow. We haven't got time. Parents, how many times are you waving your kid off to kindergarten? Next minute you say, you're waving them off to college. We don't have time. Date that girl, start that job, buy that house, buy that car and do it today. Do it today, you're not promised tomorrow. Start living the life that everybody seeks you can. Quantum physics, neuroscience tells us anything is possible.

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So forget your political views for a second. We had a business memory in the country with no political experience whatsoever. Okay. Don't dare tell me you can't do anything you want to do, because I'm going to call you a liar. There it is. Dr. Rob Kelly. Daddy, please stop drinking. Go buy the book. Dr. Kelly, where can everybody find you and keep up with everything you're doing?

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I start my day with two B's guys in case you're listening or watching. R-O-B-K-E-L-O-Y.com is the website. You'll find the bot, you'll find our conferences, you'll find anything you want to get on there. There's actually a button on there if you get to the third page that says contact me direct. You want to go press that button. I'm on the end of the phone. What else you want? Oh my God already. Come on, get on the phone. Press it. Let's talk. Yes.

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There's value. We'll have links to all that on the show notes. And we can't thank you enough, Dr. Kelly for coming on the show. Guys. You're awesome. Thank you so much. Hey, you know where to find us. The vacaypodcast.com search for Rob Kelly. That's two B's R O B B K E L Y. You'll find all the highlight clips today. The links to Dr. Kelly's stuff. Hey, if you'd helped ask for help, get a test with Dr. Rob for Chris Hansen. I'm Ryan Alford. We'll see you next time.

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